I’ll take it to mean the FeHEDTA would not be attractive to earthworms. This may be a silly question but is there any brand of beer slugs prefer? The answer is yes – they might. Silly me. There is also the option to only grow flowers that these slimy creatures do not find attractive to eat, and then the need for war with them is over. Sadly, slugs have expensive taste – they did like Henry’s better. Putting baits near plants you want to protect only draws them to where you don’t want them. That said, as with any chemical (including water! As you will generally be mixing in the cooler months I suggest adding a little warm water to speed the dissolving process. Within a few days I began to notice a large drop in the number of birds around my immediate area. AFAICT, this isn't used in diet supplements. Dandelions will grow in any level of calcium. (worms keep away!). In terms of the beer that slugs prefer, I’ve heard of one group that did a study and found that they prefer darker beer — and another group that found they prefer lighter beer — I guess it just depends on how sophisticated your slugs are! Has anyone made a study of trying different things to see what works best? Confine baits to areas likely harbor slugs, such as among groundcovers, along the lawn edges, wood piles and such. Moreover, the flower can be used in wine or boiled and stir-fried. Thank you for pointing out this important connection!! You need to mix it with their favorite foods, at the right dosage, to see any positive effect — other than serving as a general fertilizer. garlic? This causes the weed to dry up, turn black, shrivel and die. From looking around at this site and elsewhere it seems I need to use. The hanging feeder has not needed to be refilled. To destroy the wood fungus need to dilute 1.5 kg of iron sulfate in 10 liters of water. Cheap beer kills my slugs but not my snails, I think this is because the traps I laid were too shallow and the snails were able to climb out, while the slugs gorged themselves and drowned presumably in a blissful drunken stupor. Can you take the contents of these packets, when their ability to produce heat is over, and sprinkle them where the slugs “hang out”. Next time I will put the Sluggo just under my pots and under a piece of board, so birds cannot ingest it. The leaves can be boiled or used raw in a salad. Interesting question John. Kill Dandelions with White Vinegar and Dish Soap. But because EDTA makes metals more soluble, it also helps them get to places they shouldn’t go – like into an earthworms body. Click to share on Facebook (Opens in new window), Click to share on Twitter (Opens in new window), Click to share on Pocket (Opens in new window), The worms crawl in and the worms crawl out but these worms kill your plants, Hydroponics for the Holidays? I wondered about birds eating it. Thanks! So, you’re asking, what is EDTA? Here is an unvalidated information link from 2010 you may find helpful: http://www.hostalibrary.org/firstlook/RRIronPhosphate.htm. This doesn’t get to the earthworms either, except by the decomposing slug I guess. Iron sulfate will start damaging moss in a matter of hours and effectively kill it within two days. I keep five bottles near my beans and peppers and maybe a half teaspoon in each. They are eating every spot of Sluggo I put in the garden…very worrisome. Just like Round-up, and almost any other pesticide you can name, there are other ingredients that help the active ingredients work — and that could cause issues. Steve - thanks that is very useful. The iron may cause some discoloration of the grass, but it recovers fairly quickly. But I have seen people who owned dogs piling pounds of Sluggo around every plant, as if mulching. The first year you will see a diminishing and by the second year if the calcium rate is sufficient for the soil, the dandelion seeds will be there but not germinate. Today, a few sparrows came back to the feeder. However, a couple of things that will always limit it are the fact that both in the front and the rear we have very large evergreen trees that drop needles. (You can look up EDTA in Wikipedia if you want to see how it’s made.) It’s not. Iron sulphate dissolves quite readily. I recently used iron EDTA to check the impact of slugs on seedlings, It may have had an impact on the Slugs, However, after 8-10 days I did notice that some of those iron edta baits got covered in Fungus. The raccoons drank the beer. I have seen the slugs go in to eat, but I don’t think even a mouse could get in there. I’ll also be spending more time touting beer. If you put in crap, somebody will come along quickly and remove it. It doesn't kill the dandelion, but it does reduce the ability of the dandelion to grow, because it's a deterrent for seed development. Are you comfortable with using EDTA in organic production? (MSDS) page on EDTA. I was assuming if it was broadcast onto the lawn it would be difficult for a dog to find a significant amount to eat anyway. So now we have bits of fungus around the potted plants. John: see attached paper on this. These products seem to contain both Iron and EDTA which may be highly toxic to mammals, including people and pets. How to Kill Dandelions Without Chemicals. Months, if you do it now. Perhaps a different concentration would work better? That’s the point of an encyclopedia. FeHEDTA is applied to actively growing small weeds in lawns in the spring or in the fall when temperatures are cool, and there is ample moisture. I used iron phosphate on my compost pile because of the snails – no wonder there are no worms! Now don’t go thinking EDTA is bad. The answer is yes – they might. I Guess that when gowing organically we just have to accept some crop loss. Interesting. I wouldn't try using the weedkiller as a diet supplement, either. I have noticed that when I put it out, it has mostly disappeared by the next day. I’m not going to stop recommending iron phosphate – Still, I can’t recommend it quite as freely as I have been in my talks — I need to add some real caveats. I will consider it my duty stamp to nature from now on, a small price to pay for everything it gives us. For Round-up, the soaps mixed in there to help the product stick can hurt frogs or other amphibians. No. Questions were asked about the level of toxicity of iron to dogs, etc. Probably not. In fact, that treatment alone will improve the average lawn! The adage: pick your poison comes to mind. As long as you have a reliable source to cite, you can edit any article yourself. Does it matter to you if it’s used as a fertilizer vs. as an ingredient in a pesticide? Selective weed killers include Fiesta, Iron-X, and Bayer Natria Lawn Weed Killer, all based on iron HEDTA. But either form of iron phosphate is more effective at low temperatures and in high humidity. And the roots can be dried and steeped for a tea. And not only that, these iron phosphate baits can also be toxic to other animals such as dogs. Knowing the amounts would allow for a better understanding of the risks. I never would have used Sluggo if I had known that birds would eat it. Too late now for this season, but next year, (apart from a weed and feed), I'd cut it twice a week. There is a Material Safety Data Sheet. A.D.I.O.S., a product based on sodium chloride, works on broadleaf weeds but not grass. So I took old beer bottles and put the slug go in them, on their sides. All methods for dandelion removal must be performed every year. If I had a choice, I’d give up worms to be rid of slugs also. A method of controlling dandelions by spraying with iron sulphate . Surely all those home remedies ARE the answer. With that said, while researching this i've found 3 other topics i need to consider! They aren’t an indicator of nutrient deficiency. The harder this is to do the more important it is to do it. A few days ago Erin Harris put a comment in my post about dandelions asking whether those iron phosphate baits you can buy for slugs might also be toxic to earthworms. The only sure way to know if you need calcium or any other plant nutrient is to do a soil test. Swallow iron tablets and capsules whole; do not crush, open, or chew. And scarifying. I certainly appreciate this cautionary information, particularly about a product that is typically spoken of in such “safe” ways. Humans have the ability to metabolize small amounts of iron; to expel what they don’t use. Does anyone know the quantity of iron phosphate bait consumed that caused the dog problems? Frankly, I don’t trust Wikipedia on something like this. these all should be effective, and also distasteful though not poisonous to animals, except perhaps tobacco. I don’t know much about the toxicity of these baits to birds. or I will have his guts for garters, Use an ordinary garden fork and shove it vertically in all the way. Verdun - thanks. A curious consequence of our pesticide legislation is a result of the fact that pesticides need to be expensively registered. “The editors” are the general public. I am now using a deeper beer trap and plopping snails in there when I spot them. (Some say that iron-based products can harm bentgrass, however.) Various sources of information about FeHEDTA state it provides control or suppression of a number of common broadleaf lawn weeds (e.g., dandelion, English daisy, white clover, black medic, common chickweed, and broad-leaved plantain) but won’t injure grasses, making this a selective herbicide for use on lawns. Iron oxidation causes plant necrosis causing the weed to quickly dry up, turn black, shrivel, and die within hours of application. That can’t be good for them. I've literally only ever cut the grass in my garden to date but I'm keen to do much more. tobacco,? If spreading information is “an agenda” then they have an agenda. Towhees left as well as the song sparrows. hot pepper? I hope things turn around for your birds soon! If all the dandelions are killed, the bees will die. I've never used one; I doubt it it gets deep enough and it's probably expensive.). Now, based on the data I’ve seen on poisoning incidents, iron phosphate is less likely to poison your dog than its closest competitor, metaldehyde (though the iron phosphate seems more likely to hurt earthworms than the metaldehyde). For the persistent dandelion problem, they recommend Sclerotinia minor, which may be available to you through landscaping companies. 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